给你一个处理的好的。音频 -patrickholder(.) @芝加哥华人论坛:芝加哥枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of Chicago

枫下茶话 / 社会 / 这种CAS讲座毫无举办的必要，台面上讲的都是精心包装后的大话、官话、套话，只宣传积极正面的，绝不会自揭伤疤。如果你去听法轮功的讲座，也会觉得似乎很有道理。去看看那些反CAS的网站、报道、官司、游行、受害者的自述……吧，简直铺天盖地。试问， -works(works); 2009-6-22 {165} (#5363961@0)
这个社会还会有哪个组织机构如此名声狼藉、臭名昭著？

Rollor和Cruise99在这个问题上犯了严重的幼稚病，企图以一个中立者的身份，让大众了解CAS，隐隐约约地让我想到了王千源

Rollor, Cruise99, I think you are going to do a good job. I salute your contribution to our Chinese community!! -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5363988@0)
我认为Rollor和Cruise99在这件事情上并没做错什么，任何机构和民众的沟通都是很有必要的 -91109(葡萄紫的大海); 2009-6-22 (#5364029@0)

听婊子讲爱情，和绑匪谈道义? -nber(Cleaner); 2009-6-23 (#5365195@0)

ＣＡＳ处理的都是问题家庭，处理不处理都会造成悲剧，处理稍不完美，就会给人骂，就算处理完美了，也没人赞。这点你都看不到，你是不是更幼稚呢？？说话客观点好。 -oceandeepblue(blue); 2009-6-22 (#5364178@0)

说得挺有道理。处理得好的，一般不会有人出来唱赞歌。处理得不好的，就会被骂。这也是为什么看起来反面事例多的原因之一。 -kittywhy(kittywhy); 2009-6-22 (#5364193@0)
给你一个处理的好的。音频 -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364248@0)

Comparing going to a foster home to riding a subway is totally misguided. This trip sounds like going to a vacation home. -buug(Crouching Tiger); 2009-6-22 (#5364295@0)

给你一个处理得不好的 -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364251@0)
According to Peel Region CAS there was 最終有4,781名受虐兒童的情況得以核實并妥善處理 for 1 year. How many 受虐兒童 were protected in Canada for a year? And how many of them had complains? What is the %? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 {283} (#5364331@0)
You may go on and on to find individual cases that CAS didn't handle properly. But until we can look at the whole picture, i.e. how many cases that CAS handle a year and how many of them CAS didn't handle it properly? Unfortunately, I don't see any figures. from there web site.

57%的少年犯与CAS有关，36%被的CAS保护的孩子进少管所。只有24%高中毕业。安省1%孩子被CAS所害
-patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364352@0)

How many time you posted this message? 10+? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5364370@0)

是事实多讲几遍怕什么？让更多的人了解事实有何不妥？倒是那些怕别人多讲事实的人居心叵测。 -rds(风兮); 2009-6-22 (#5364405@0)

Patrickholder, do you mind to tell rds that 与CAS有关 is not same as in the custody of CAS? Most of the children who are 与CAS有关, actually lives with their own family! Only a very small number are in the custody of CAS. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 {121} (#5364440@0)
So if a child lives with his own parents, then how CAS can be responsible for their academic or if they commit any crime.

孩子即使回到了家，父母也没有教育子女的自由，要与CAS签订不平等条约，稍有不慎就可能再次失去孩子，在CAS的淫威下父母根本不敢教育孩子，哪怕一说孩子考试分数低了，就可能被CAS以emotional abuse 为借口把孩子抢走，这一点，CAS有不可推卸的责任。 -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364474@0)

CAS会在学校里于任何时间（每2星期）把孩子抓出来审问，不仅影响学习，而且使同学与老师对他另眼相看。有时，每次问相似的问题，教育孩子说谎（不要告诉父母）有时孩子不耐烦了，就干脆承认，于是，他们就又被带走。换学校。这样，他们能学好吗？ -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364496@0)

Can you please tell me how many children that CAS would interview every 2 weeks. I know a few family that was interviewed by CAS and CAS only went back to visit their child once. You often provide extreme cases, -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 {33} (#5364523@0)
but never show us the big picture

Can you please show us those 不平等条约 and let's see how 不平等 it is. And aslo please provide example that CAS seized a child when his result is poor. I would forward these example to my MPP. Thanks. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5364507@0)

就像不让bluelove单独照顾婴儿。 -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364552@0)

I think the one with bluelove may not be unfair but I am more interested about the one that you mentioned "孩子即使回到了家，父母也没有教育子女的自由" and "哪怕一说孩子考试分数低了，就可能被CAS以emotional abuse 为借口把孩子抢走" -hkchan(*); 2009-6-23 {290} (#5365138@0)
afterall, I argued "57%的少年犯与CAS有关，36%被的CAS保护的孩子进少管所。只有24%高中毕业" is not CAS responsibility but you said even most of them lived with their parents their parents have no control on how to educate the children.

I wasnt to see some solid evidence on your complain.

The report, which was obtained by CBC News, lays much of the blame on group homes that rely too heavily on police to resolve problems that could be handled by staff. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-23 {183} (#5365212@0)
Kids have been charged for everything from refusing to read a book or hitting someone with a tea towel, Finlay said. One group home in Ontario called police 400 times in a single year
She called for stable funding for a variety of services that could help families at an early stage of children's lives and provide what Turpel-Lafond called "protective factors" to keep the children out of the justice system. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-23 {993} (#5365220@0)
Panellist Mary Ellen Turpel-Lafond, BC's Representative for Children and Youth, used the opportunity to release some preliminary results from her upcoming report, which examines the relationship between youth in care and the justice system. Turpel-Lafond told the audience that her research shows, "children in care in British Columbia have had a higher probability of ending up in the corrections system — 36 percent of them — than they did of graduating from high school, which is 24 percent. I think that's probably the most staggering finding, because it's exactly not the outcome that we want for them."

The Representative emphasized that she has found that children in care who stay out of the justice system did so because they had better support. She called for stable funding for a variety of services that could help families at an early stage of children's lives and provide what Turpel-Lafond called "protective factors" to keep the children out of the justice system.

这4,781名受虐兒童中不知有多少是以莫须有的罪名错抓的，就像刮痧。又如上面的例子： -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364362@0)

that was my question, how many? none? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5364376@0)

我刚贴过你又说none,我只好再贴一次（这就是有些贴得比较多的原因） -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364397@0)

Can you please post one more time for the one that is handled by Peel Region CAS, sicne the number I quoted was from Peel Region CAS. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5364451@0)

Click -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364541@0)

I don't see how Peel Region CAS mishanled it. A boy complained to his teacher that his own father physically abused him; CAS had to investigate. And the case was taken to court and then CAS just followed the court order. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-23 {32} (#5365140@0)
What did CAD do wrong this time?

再来一例：北京夫妇温哥华产婴婴儿受伤女被带走 -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 {2697} (#5364447@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛北京夫妇温哥华产婴婴儿受伤女被带走(图)
2009-02-02 02:02:30 来源网站：明报点击:1816
　　女婴疑遭摇晃大女被寄养家庭欺凌

　　北京来的李先生夫妇，做梦也想不到一场「坐月子」，会弄到大女儿不能见、刚出生的BB不能抱的迷惘局面。李太太狠狠的说：「我一生所遭遇的不幸事情，全都在过去一个月经历过了，我这辈子都不要再来加拿大！」

　　李先生是法律专业人士，2004年以技术移民抵达安河汉普顿(Hamilton)，因为找不到合适的工作，他与太太就回流北京去了。二人育有一名6岁的女儿，去年太太再度怀孕，夫妇俩就开始筹备第二胎到温哥华生产，准备了几十万元来迎接第二名女儿。

　　李先生在大陆的同事介绍他们可以选择在生产后住在「月子中心」，养好身子，才回到中国去。李先生于是从网上找到列治文一家月子中心。待产每个月的费用是2000元，生产后每个月是4000元，以孕妇一人计算，假如期间有家人一起短住，并不额外收费。

　　
李先生夫妇

　　李太太在去年10月28日到月子中心，婴儿在12月21日出生，数日后，丈夫带?6岁的姐姐一起过来看太太，顺便带大女儿去尝尝滑雪，然后，全家在2月初回国。

　　当一切都非常美好的时候，1月17日上午婴儿被月子中心人员接走，晚上7时多送回的时候，员工说刚替婴儿洗完澡。李先生夫妇此时看到婴儿手一直发抖，皮肤都是红红的，之后，在妈妈抱了一下后，婴儿很快就睡?了，两人只是奇怪婴儿为何这么困，也没想到其它的。数小时后，他们发现婴儿的头有点歪，隐隐觉得不寻常，于是赶紧送去列治文医院。医院方面随即将婴儿转送温哥华儿童医院，医护立即帮婴儿进行计算机扫描，证实婴儿脑部受伤。

　　医生按例通报警方及儿童厅。当局怀疑有人虐待婴儿，因此不由分说，将李先生的大女儿、月子中心东主的两名小女儿等，全部带走，接受省府「保护」，后来，她们被送往一个寄养家庭去，据说这个家庭也是华裔。

　　李先生说，他们全面配合警方的调查，对警方的提问有问必答，因为他们只是希望尽快澄清此事，让一家人可以团聚。

　　被指重男轻女叹遭遇不幸

　　不过，两人记得，当日向他们问话的是一名中文不是说的很好的土生华裔警员，开口第一句就是问，是否因为婴儿不是男的，夫妇二人重男轻女，所以打女儿。李太说，这种说法简直是荒谬，他们在北京的时候，就知道怀的是女儿，如果不喜欢她，怎会花几十万元人民币、千辛万苦的来加拿大产下她？

　　李太太心疼的说，自从大女儿被带走后，他们只能在星期一、三、五见她，而且必须要有社工在场监视，每次一小时，「就像监狱探监一样。」既不能知道女儿住在那里，也不能致电给女儿，十多天了，女儿也只获许打电话给父母两次。至于一直在医院的小女儿，两人也只能在星期二、四、六去探访。

　　这几天，婴儿的情况终于稳定下来，没有生命危险，但因为脑部受创，不知道将来的康复有多困难，但至少两人终于吃得下饭。

　　夫妇前日探访大女儿的时候，女儿言语间透露了一些在寄养家庭被欺负的情况，在场的社工也是很紧张的问女儿问题，但再下去就不让两人与女儿说话了。儿童厅、社工等无论如何也不肯让他们再见女儿。父母于是希望将女儿即晚从寄养家庭取走，放到朋友的家，但同样被儿童厅拒绝，他们只答应会换过一个寄养家庭，不过直至昨日，都不知道女儿在哪。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
http://news.yorkbbs.ca/focus/2009-02/288973.html

Since you did so much research on CAS problem? Do you mind telling me how many cases that was mishandled by CAS within 1 year? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-22 (#5364458@0)

I guess 100% -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364643@0)

Another guess! -hkchan(*); 2009-6-23 (#5365224@0)

那么，你认为婴儿脑部内伤，不应该有组织介入调查吗？万一真的是父母不小心造成的，难道要婴儿死了才来调查？？ -oceandeepblue(blue); 2009-6-22 (#5364607@0)

看看16岁的孩子13岁时complain后有人听她的吗？如果更小呢？ -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364390@0)
一区一年4781个儿童, 值得骄傲呀。如果只有４７８个那可是不够成绩。根据2006的统计数字：该区共有３５９，０４２家住户。即使不刨除无孩住户（应该至少占１／３），这意味着每一百家住户每年就有１.３个小孩被CAS认为被虐。如果CAS是对的话，驻密市的朋友要小心了。 -buug(Crouching Tiger); 2009-6-22 (#5364546@0)

统计一下这个数字里移民和ESL家庭占有多少比例，更能揭示出一些道理。 -oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权); 2009-6-22 (#5364672@0)

父母见不到小孩，有多少小孩懂得complain,有能力complain. -patrickholder(.); 2009-6-22 (#5364374@0)
你敢complain吗？小孩吊在他们手上逼你签字你能不签吗？看看complain的下场 -buug(Crouching Tiger); 2009-6-22 (#5364438@0)

既然“处理不处理都会造成悲剧”，那还安省每年用15亿民脂民膏来处理干啥？ -maninc(maninc); 2009-6-22 (#5364334@0)

somebody benefit from it, not tax payer like you and me -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-6-22 (#5364529@0)
and they have more resource to turn or keep the system their way -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-6-22 (#5364538@0)
有不称职的父母本身就是悲剧，所以才需要一个组织来帮助。可惜，谁也代替不了父母，所以最终的结局也不会是最完美的结局，很简单的道理，你不会不明白吧。 -oceandeepblue(blue); 2009-6-22 (#5364562@0)

听婊子讲爱情，和绑匪谈道义 -nber(Cleaner); 2009-6-23 (#5365197@0)

沟通。这次讲座的目的是为了沟通。多听听，多看看。我觉得 CAS 制度有需要改进的地方，但不可能一无是处。了解质疑的同时了解辩解，对我们理解事情的全貌大有益处。 -rollor(Rollor); 2009-6-23 (#5365223@0)

CAS是当事一方，泛泛而谈将无助于事。 -buug(Crouching Tiger); 2009-6-23 (#5367505@0)

@Chicago

给你一个处理的好的。音频

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